what do you think of this Whippet Engine?

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Richard Hed

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9.3cc is not far off 10cc. if it were only 5cc then that would be a rip off. its only just down on the size of the original which was 1" x 3/4" (still less than 10cc)

I expect they will sell all the batch and as for price it's not much more than say a mass produced OS 60 4-stroke. I don't think I could make one from the kit and make a living on the $170 difference


Yes I expect it is spam and you could say the likes of Cringles posts about the kits he produces are too.
Does this come with the Ginsu Steak knives?
 

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That was a reply to Richard's " I, of course, would make my own "
 

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Oops, sorry about that (responding to a comment meant for another). And no, the Ginsu Steak knives was not intended to have any racial implications, though I can see how it might come across that way. I apologize to anyone that was offended.

There was a time when late-night TV advertisements for some dubious product or another always seemed to feature an extra benefit of throwing in some "Ginsu Steak knives." The dubiousness of the product in question was not related to place of origin, but rather to the nature of the product and the over-the-top sales technique employed: "You would expect to pay $49.95 for a combination egg-separator and exercise machine of this quality. But wait! Tonight only, you can have this incredible product for only $29.95. That's right, just three payments of $12.95 each for this incredible value. But wait! For the first 100 shoppers to respond, we are going to make this deal even more incredible by throwing in a set of 6 Ginsu steak knives, absolutely free! Yes, you heard it right - you get the combination egg-separator and exercise machine AND a set of knives, a total value of well over $100, for the incredibly low price of only $29.95. (Plus shipping and handling.)" And on and on it would go, before finally getting back to whatever re-run we happened to be watching at that time of night.

For folks in my generation, both the phrase, "but wait!" and any reference to "throwing in Ginsu steak knives" were a widely understood ways to suggest that some main product was of questionable value. This despite the fact that no one I know, including myself, has any clear idea what a "Ginsu steak knife" is - whether that is a brand, or a style, or a place of origin. I'm afraid my whole generation has disparaged this type of steak knife simply for its unfortunate association with late-night TV ads. :(
 

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Thanks for clearing that up.

just by way of comparison Richard may like to look at the cost of say Stuart Turner ready to run engines, makes these far eastern offerings look like a bargain. Take this basic one which would cost $450 plus shipping. I know which one I would say is better value.

I've also said it before on other forums I think there would be a small market for some of these lost designs where castings are no longer available if someone produced CNC machined "castings" leaving the builder to do all the minor work such as final boring, drilling and tapping etc. You would not get the problems of casting flaws or undersize castings that we see so often and if they can make a working engine for $500 then the set of CNC'd castings would be competitive. Looking at Sterlingkit's facebook page their machined castings look like they will be far better than the originals ever were

 
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Oops, sorry about that (responding to a comment meant for another). And no, the Ginsu Steak knives was not intended to have any racial implications, though I can see how it might come across that way. I apologize to anyone that was offended.

There was a time when late-night TV advertisements for some dubious product or another always seemed to feature an extra benefit of throwing in some "Ginsu Steak knives." The dubiousness of the product in question was not related to place of origin, but rather to the nature of the product and the over-the-top sales technique employed: "You would expect to pay $49.95 for a combination egg-separator and exercise machine of this quality. But wait! Tonight only, you can have this incredible product for only $29.95. That's right, just three payments of $12.95 each for this incredible value. But wait! For the first 100 shoppers to respond, we are going to make this deal even more incredible by throwing in a set of 6 Ginsu steak knives, absolutely free! Yes, you heard it right - you get the combination egg-separator and exercise machine AND a set of knives, a total value of well over $100, for the incredibly low price of only $29.95. (Plus shipping and handling.)" And on and on it would go, before finally getting back to whatever re-run we happened to be watching at that time of night.

For folks in my generation, both the phrase, "but wait!" and any reference to "throwing in Ginsu steak knives" were a widely understood ways to suggest that some main product was of questionable value. This despite the fact that no one I know, including myself, has any clear idea what a "Ginsu steak knife" is - whether that is a brand, or a style, or a place of origin. I'm afraid my whole generation has disparaged this type of steak knife simply for its unfortunate association with late-night TV ads. :(
The Ginsu Steak knife actually was a pretty good quality knife. the makers were Americans and they had a hard time selling it so they changed the name to make it sound "Japanese", this was in the late or middle 60s. But they DID indeed use the sort of marketing you mention LOL. Thing is, after they changed the name and did this advertising, they sold like hotcakes! And at a rather high price and with very high "shipping and handling." So that's why I'm trying to get a set of "free" Ginsu Knives in the price.
 

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I don't understand this comment unless it's a racist one?

Kit and drawings from hemmingway costs about $330 so $170 to make one for sale.
Jason, you would have had to have been in the USA in the 60s-70s to get the reference, Read the other comments. This is truly a good joke for us who are in on it.

(BTW, we don't make racist comments on this forum. and for those who MIGHT, I have this to say:

When I was a little bitty baby, I was very small. My parents, being Jewish and Cherokee were murdered in the house out in the woods. I was only a couple months old (I remember it well) and was starving and freezing. After the murderers had left, they left the door open and wolves came in looking for an easy snack and some warmth. They found me and suckled me (as Wolves, Crows and Black Widow Spiders are all on my Cherokee Totem) and warmed me. Well I was raised by these Wolves whom I consider my true parents. We lived together happily in that house in the woods till I was 10 years old, when hunters discovered my Wolf parents. But because Crows are on my Totem, they warned us that the hunters were coming.

Needless to say, Wolf Parents got out of Dodge, but I wasn't warned in time. The hunters caught me, but they got bit by not only myself but Black Widows, who are also on my Totem. Anyway, I did not stop biting till I was 12--they used cattle prods to train me. I did not learn to write till I was 16 and I still don't know how to read.

Anyway, eventually I learned that People are People everywhere in the world--they usually have two eyes, two ears, two arms and legs and two noses. We all want the same thing: food, a roof to house a bed in which to put a couple two nosed children, and everyone knows we all needs a lathe, a gun, and a mill to fulfil our other needs, that is, to have something to do, to make, to accomplish with our hands and minds (I have two of each). So, I'm sure you all realize this is a true, heart rending story (please send me some $$ and a Ginsu set of knives). The lesson is, racism rarely has anything to do with "race"--rather it is "culture". People of other cultures (I mean, really, when I went from Wolf culture to Human culture, that was a SHOCK!) always do things differently, eat different foods, cook different manners and dance differently. The only thing to do, is LEARN a new DANCE STEP!)
 
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Thanks for clearing that up.

just by way of comparison Richard may like to look at the cost of say Stuart Turner ready to run engines, makes these far eastern offerings look like a bargain. Take this basic one which would cost $450 plus shipping. I know which one I would say is better value.

I've also said it before on other forums I think there would be a small market for some of these lost designs where castings are no longer available if someone produced CNC machined "castings" leaving the builder to do all the minor work such as final boring, drilling and tapping etc. You would not get the problems of casting flaws or undersize castings that we see so often and if they can make a working engine for $500 then the set of CNC'd castings would be competitive. Looking at Sterlingkit's facebook page their machined castings look like they will be far better than the originals ever were

You are right, of course, it's just that my Jewish genes prevent me from buying things that I can make much cheaper. I've always been like that since I was 10 (please read my other related post). Recently I have been working in order to buy some machining related goodies--I only earn about 125$ take home per day--peanuts compared to what Iused to make. That would make that engine cost 3 days worth of work. I would much rather spend 3 MONTHS building it. Much greater self-fulfilment and pleasure in doing that. Plus bragging rights.

Yes, I agree with you, there would be a "small" market for these castings. That market might be larger than you thimpfk, however, if the price is kept low. (The first law of economics is "lower the price, sell more, make mor profit). There are 10s of thousands, if not millions, of people who are interested. I have a whole list of small engines I would like castings for, starting with the Atkinson Differential. Just look at all the people making their own castings and learning Foundry to be able to do so, simply because the castings are not available or are too pricey.

What if the Guys and Gals on these forums formed sort of a 'guild' to specialize in ONE engine each (or maybe two, if small ones) and sold them together in one catalog? Might work. Might be possible to lower the price and sell more.
 
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Yes, I understand, "round it up", but that is, to me, a trixsy little lie. In the Philippines, I was sold a table saw that they claimed was 3 HP. But before I boughjt it, I lookt at the wattage which was 1700. Well, you know that 760W=1HP, so 1700/760=2.23HP, right? I called them on this, and it was hem and haw. Of course, in the phils, you expect this kind of blatant lying, the Chinese only care about ONE THING: making that sale! And the Philippinos only care about ONE thing: getting that MONEY! It's definitly Caveat Emptor! So this tiny little discrepancy (lie?) catches my attention immediatly. If one is going to round that 9.3, then it should be down to 9cc not up to 10. PIcky picky picky--absolutely. catch a liar in one lie, how many lies did you miss? Truth is, I know nothing of this little company Stirling...., it might be a fine company. Does anyone out there in the known universe know more than I, I expect so.

I would like to know if this is a reputable company. I'm just saying, I would not pay 500USD for this. I, of course, would make my own, not buy a pre-made and assembled one.

excuse me; 746W=1HP.
The total cylinder volume of the engine is equal to the sum of the cylinder working volume and the combustion chamber volume
The working volume of the cylinder is 12.5*12.5*π*19=9.327cc. The volume of the combustion chamber cannot be estimated due to irregularities, and the total is about 10cc.
We do not deny that it is not the exact right number, and the approximate value is an integer of 10cc.
If according to your statement, you are wrong too, 760W is greater than 1HP, 745.6999W is 1HP, rounding is also 746W = 1HP.
Furthermore, the displacement label of a car's 2.0T engine is 2.0L, which is also a lie of the car manufacturer, because it is actually impossible to be 2.0L.
 

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Well we are still waiting for you to make a model;)

There are several of these far eastern makers/ sellers and they have a reasonable following with collectors. Many of their designs are based on other designs from the past.

You also need to bear in mind that back in the day many of these engines were built to compete in specific engine classes where the max may have been 30cc or 15cc and they were described as 30cc or 15cc but just under that to keep within the rules hence why the 10cc Whippet has never actually been 10cc
you are right. it should be 9.327cc. The working volume of the cylinder is 12.5*12.5*π*19=9.327cc. The volume of the combustion chamber cannot be estimated due to irregularities, and the total is about 10cc.
 

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Yes, I understand, "round it up", but that is, to me, a trixsy little lie. In the Philippines, I was sold a table saw that they claimed was 3 HP. But before I boughjt it, I lookt at the wattage which was 1700. Well, you know that 760W=1HP, so 1700/760=2.23HP, right? I called them on this, and it was hem and haw. Of course, in the phils, you expect this kind of blatant lying, the Chinese only care about ONE THING: making that sale! And the Philippinos only care about ONE thing: getting that MONEY! It's definitly Caveat Emptor! So this tiny little discrepancy (lie?) catches my attention immediatly. If one is going to round that 9.3, then it should be down to 9cc not up to 10. PIcky picky picky--absolutely. catch a liar in one lie, how many lies did you miss? Truth is, I know nothing of this little company Stirling...., it might be a fine company. Does anyone out there in the known universe know more than I, I expect so.

I would like to know if this is a reputable company. I'm just saying, I would not pay 500USD for this. I, of course, would make my own, not buy a pre-made and assembled one.

excuse me; 746W=1HP.
and one more thing, I'm sorry about your experience in the phils. but there is one old saying. He who was once bitten by a snake will be frightened at the sight of a noose/coiled rope.
 

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Well we are still waiting for you to make a model;)

There are several of these far eastern makers/ sellers and they have a reasonable following with collectors. Many of their designs are based on other designs from the past.

You also need to bear in mind that back in the day many of these engines were built to compete in specific engine classes where the max may have been 30cc or 15cc and they were described as 30cc or 15cc but just under that to keep within the rules hence why the 10cc Whippet has never actually been 10cc
this is how it's made.
 

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Richard the convention is to measure the displacement and not include the void above the piston at TDC. This is an international convention and arrived at by the calculation you show of bore area x stroke be it in cc, lts or cu.in

I have never seen the void above the piston included when quoting engine capacity, it only tends to be used when calculating compression ratio. It should be quite easy to measure the void with CAD

Out of interest what would be the cost to supply only the CNC machined "castings" that I showed in post #26 ?
 

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Now I get why you don't understand Ginsu Steak Knives. And why is it, that when someone these days doesn't understand anything, it becomes racist to them?
 

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If you looked at my profile you would also see I'm not American so would not have seen the adverts whatever age. As Awake says it could be taken for a racist comment particularly following the previous post with comments about Philippines and China from the same member by anyone who is not old enough and American.
 

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