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Tin Falcon

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This sub fora is intended as place to pass on and discuss machining , industrial and Model engine building history. A place to post links of old machining books ,pictures of old tool factories old tool catalogs etc. Also pics of National historic sites that are metal working related. you get the picture.
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Great idea Tin.

I've attached a pdf file for the patent of a Roberts Water motor. I've managed to acquire one in very good condition and plan to restore it to working condition this winter.



It is designed very much like a duplex injection pump except it operates on water rather than steam pressure.

Phil

View attachment Roberts water motor.pdf
 

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Tin,

What an excellent idea! At first visit a subject that appeals to me would be a thread that provides capsule biographical information about some of the names I have been learning about since I started visiting here.

I don't mean an exhaustive list of everyone in the hobby, this forum. or in industry, but I would like to know more about the people that have been referenced again and again. Names that spring to my mind (most likely mis-spelled as I write this) are Elmer Verbrug and Rudy Kouphout. Add Dave Gingery and the publisher Lindsay

My starter questions:

When were (are) they active?
What did they specialize in?
What is known about their projects?
What is known about their tools and shop?
Any memorable quotations?
Is there a relevant archive that can be linked?
Is any work on public display?
If their legacy is available as purchasable material or in the public domain, who here has built one of their models or used their ideas in a new design?

Maybe this isn't feasible, but historically I am interested in the people as well as the hardware.

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This sub fora is intended as place to pass on and discuss machining , industrial and Model engine building history. A place to post links of old machining books ,pictures of old tool factories old tool catalogs etc. Also pics of National historic sites that are metal working related. you get the picture.
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What started the mill or lathe? A Blacksmith with a file?
 

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A blacksmith with a sharp cold chisel to make the file?
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maudslay

As far as I've been able to find, Mr. Maudslay was the man who started the progression from mere good handwork to real precision. He invented the micrometer, was the first to combine the leadscrew, change gears, and slide rest to make the modern precision machine tool. He struck out on his own because his cheapass boss wouldn't give him enough of a raise to support a family, and became the foremost innovator of the technologies that were crucial to the industrial revolution. Even today's super high precision CNC whizbang gagets are merely embellishments of his fundamental designs. Watt stood on his shoulders, yet few know of him. Books about him are astronomically expensive, and few libraries even have copies that can be read in their facilities. Our hero has been supressed, and maybe we should try to bring his story into the light.
 

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philjoe5,

Saw you asking about your Roberts Water Motor on the other place. I'm not a a member there so I am posting this link about water engines and water motors here:

http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/POWER/waterengine/waterengine.htm

I have been intrigued by these, especially the three-cylinder versions, and was playing with the idea of making one sometime: I think the grandkids would like to see something like this running off the garden hose on a hot day.

--ShopShoe
 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maudslay

As far as I've been able to find, Mr. Maudslay was the man who started the progression from mere good handwork to real precision. He invented the micrometer, was the first to combine the leadscrew, change gears, and slide rest to make the modern precision machine tool. He struck out on his own because his cheapass boss wouldn't give him enough of a raise to support a family, and became the foremost innovator of the technologies that were crucial to the industrial revolution. Even today's super high precision CNC whizbang gagets are merely embellishments of his fundamental designs. Watt stood on his shoulders, yet few know of him. Books about him are astronomically expensive, and few libraries even have copies that can be read in their facilities. Our hero has been supressed, and maybe we should try to bring his story into the light.
I havent read it but am looking out for a cheaper copy of this book - looks like it might be a good one.
Henry Maudslay & the Pioneers of the Machine Age Paperback – November, 2002


by John Cantrell (Editor), Gillian Cookson (Editor)




http://www.amazon.com/dp/0752427660/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20


Has anybody read it ? If yes any comments ? Worth a look ?

Bill
 
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I sort of agree but after a lot more years of study, I tend to go back further to an earlier time of Megalithic Man and his 'Yard' and things like the work of professor Thom and surprisingly, into the Book of Kings and our Mr Tubal Cain and perhaps the legendary Hiram Abif and certainly real Hiram, King of Tyre.

What has to be remembered is that the so called Great Inventors were only developing from the great stone masons of the past who built the cathedrals and perhaps the Arab influence on Western Art.

I lived- or I still do, live on the banks of the River Tyne where much of the Industrial Revolution came but it was all really as Shakespeare described it of literature- a Nest of Singing Birds. Stephenson- George? Did he really do it all himself? Well, the railways- all 4 feet 8 and a half inches? Certainly not the Lad from Canny Wylam on the Tyne but Roman chariot gauge. Who was before the guys who made my boundary wall- ex from Mr Hadrian- I haven't a clue but possibly from Egypt.

Don't be carried away with others- including me. Read it up, spend a little money and enjoy every minute of your studies. Go to Europe, visit the cathedrals, go to the Alhambra, go to Ancient Roman and - my Northumberland with its ancients Druidical heritage.

Meantime, the Compliments of the Season

Norman
 

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This may be too "modern" as history goes.
Several years ago while traveling through Vermont, I was lucky enough to stumble on this: "The American Precision Museum, housed in the original Robbins & Lawrence Armory, now holds the largest collection of historically significant machine tools in the nation."
I spent an entire afternoon there and could have spent days. If your anyway near it, I highly recommend it.

http://www.americanprecision.org/
 

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Henry Maudsley was a wonderful man, and his works at Lambeth in London was the training ground of many brilliant engineers who were his pupils, Amongst others who worked in his factory were Naysmith the scotsman who invented the pillar shaping machine (The normal design of shaper still in use today,) Others were Whitworth who invented the travelling head shaper, And the greatest of all Richard Roberts, who invented the planing machine,
It is of note that the production of true flat faces in those far off days was a stumbling block to engine and machine production, At this time the planing of large engine components of a heavy nature was a real bugbear, Until the invention of the Wall slotting Machine in the works of James Watt at Birmingham, It is sad that the true inventor of this machine , plus the horizontal wall planing machine was William Murdock, a Scotsmam who was one of Watts colleagues, These machines enabled the machining of large castings which were clamped to a stationary bed plate, or in the case of the wall slotting machine , the castings were mounted on a table which was fed past the travelling tool block, As there was not in those days enough horse power to move heavy castings back and forward on the table of a conventional pattern of planing machine.
Watts sons greatly overlooked any of his many inventions in the story of Bolton & Watt Some years later in the works Of Maudsley Sons & field, another genius W.W. Hulse, ( Who was married to Whitworths daughter) designed and built, a very large combined vertical & horizontal planing machine , combining the best of both of Murdocks two machines , Some of this pattern of planing & slotting machine in an advanced pattern were manufactured up until the early 1960 period, all be it with a modern powerful electrical drive, by Loudon Brothers machine tool builders in Johnstone near Glasgow.
The last big wall slotting machine was scrapped in Paisley Scotland, in 1974, Thus ending the direct link going back to the era of William Murdock, A great shame, this old machine had been constructed by the predecessors of Loudon Brothers a firm called J.McCarthur & Co. Should you folks be able to lay your hands on a superb book Machine Tools by Steed , published about 1965 It tells of the many wonderful things achieved in Maudsleys works. He also seems to have been a jovial happy sort of fellow.
 

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