Stan said:
Dean: It is ironic that you mention jewelers, since they use exactly the same stuff that we use on model engines. They do sell it in smaller quantities at higher price but it is the same alloy. They use different terms for the alloy because they will work with three or more alloys on the same workpiece so that each step will be worked at a lower temperature.
Hello again, Stan
The jewelers solder I find on the web has different compositions than any of the regular silver brazing
alloys. As far as using three, (or more) alloys on a piece, you can do the same with silver brazing alloys.
Each alloy melts at a different temp. Use the highest melting one first and work down.
I think everyone agrees that every manufacturer having a trade name for a standard product is ridiculous and confusing. It becomes even worse when they refuse to release the specs on their product to the general public.
Most of the makers of silver brazing alloys in the USA have the complete composition of each alloy
they sell on their websites. Of these, five larger makers, Lucas, Uniweld, Harris, Aufhauser, and SRA, only
one of them doesn't show the metal content in their list of products. The one who doesn't, SRA, just
shows the AWS specification, (the BAg-X number), which must comply with AWS for the given spec.
All makers who want to sell to gubment jobs, or to FDA approval must show the AWS number. If it has
the number, it will be the same an ANY other maker who makes that specific number, and it doesn't
matter what silly name they give it.
I.E., one company's BAg-5 (45% silver), it will be the same as any other company's BAg-5.
I can put up links to all those makers if someone would like to see that the makers are all churning
out the same stuff.
If you are not in the USA, the numbers may mean nothing to you, but knowing that all sellers must use
the same classification will help you get the same product over and over from various US suppliers.
I also had seen/heard the term silver solder and ended up using what was labeled such from the hardware store... turn out it was the wrong stuff! (US here..)
Troy, you got silver bearing solder, and that is the correct and proper term for it. It's truly (soft) solder,
which it's name implies. Usually, this stuff is 96% tin and 4% silver. It's good for a lot of things in the
machinists shop. For a soft solder, it's quite strong. Can't be used it HP boilers, though, as it has a
fairly low melting temp of around 450° F.
Your sum up of the processes is pretty close. A couple of additions may help, or not;
Brazing, as in silver brazing: Above 840° F, base metals not melted, joins by capillary action.
Welding: Melts the base metals, (by whatever means) and joins by fusion of those metals, with, or
without using a filler metal. And it's really hot. Hot enough to melt steel, so, over 2600° F, or there
abouts. Common arc welding makes in the neighborhood of 6500°+F at the arc, oxyacet, about
5600° F.
Braze, as in braze welding: Similar to silver brazing, the main difference being that the joint is not
made by capillary action. Braze welding usually uses a filler of copper alloy, like bronze, and it will
not seep into a joint the way silver brazing does. The base metal is not melted, and the filler metal
just sticks to the surface of the joined pieces, much like a fillet of glue. You can fill a wide gap with it,
much like you could with ferrous welding rods.
Dean