BF20/G0704 Spindle Belt Drive Advice/Info Request

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joco-nz

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Hello everyone. This request is for both myself and a mate. We both have BF20 or equivalent machine that has been converted to CNC for hobby use and in that setup are quite effective. We are now looking to push them forward again with a belt drive upgrade from the current geared system.

We believe Poly-v belts (other names being "micro V belts" and "ribbed belts") are the way to go and from what I have read the J profile seems to be right size as it will cover the rpm needs and horse power need (i.e. rpm on the small pulley up to around 5000 to 6000 rpm and a power rating of 750W on the spindle.

What I am hoping members can help with is as follows:
[1] Is the J belt profile appropriate? If not what would be a better choice and why.

[2] Help with the specs we will need for the belt pulleys. We understand that the Precision Mathews PM25 is a poly-v belt drive based machine of the same class as the BF20 or G0704. If anyone is able to supply specs (dimensions/drawings) on those pulleys it would really jump start things.

[3] with reference to #2 and the PM25 what belt spec/number is used.

I realise these questions might be a bit PM25 centric. That is because this seems to be one of the best examples of commercially available machine that comes stock with a poly-v belt drive.
If someone has an alternative BF20/G0704 type machine with stock poly-v d drive or have done it fully custom from their own design on that class of machine which has been successful and they are prepared to share, that too would be absolutely invaluable.

Hopefully the combined wisdom and experience of the group can boost us on our next stage in upgrading these wee machines.

Looking forward to the responses and shared experiences. Equally if anyone is interested in or wants to see what we have done and how we did it (plenty of other well documented examples out there) I'm more than happy to post info, plans, photos.

Cheers,
James.
 

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Hi James ,
greetings from Germany. I own a Optimum BF20 that is converted to cnc. A real anoying Thing is the gera Setup with the noise it makes.
After the DC Motor went bad i converted the mil to an 0,55 kW AC Motor with vfd and a 2 Speed Polybelt transmission.
Now the noise is nearly away, a pleasure to work with.
Here are some pics.
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If you have some special questions feel free to ask.

Regards Michael
 

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I have the G0704 version. There is only a very small place to connect the new pulleys to. How did you make the connection to add the thicker pulleys?

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Hi
i made an Adapter from free turning steal glued with Loctite into the spindle gear with additional worm screws for safety.
The pulley is then mounted with allen head screws
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screws to the adapter.
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With the adapter glued in place i used the Mill as an lathe to get the right outer diameter and runout. Powered the spindle with a cordless drill.

Regards Michael
 

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Michael,

Super helpful! Looing at that adaptor I take it that you are pushing/glueing it into this fitting? Nice idea in doing the mill-athe like thing to get the fiting running concentric. Where you out by much initially?
Also did you make the pulleys yourself or are they stock items hou were able to purchase and tweak the holes as needed?
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Also, any advice on how you took this top bit off.? The part with the magnets in it.

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Hi you can just pry it of with some big screw drivers. Its just a slight press fit.
I turned the pulleys on my lathe.
I cant remeber the exact number of runout but that gear part had some. Maybe 1/10 mm

Regards Michael
 

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I also have the G0704 version, converted to CNC and have a couple of questions.

First, did you set up your motor to be controlled under CNC with the motor start/stop and RPM commands? Second, I've been thinking of changing out my motor to allow threading under CNC. Can your system do this?

Finally, did you increase spindle speeds? In a few frames of the video, I think I see the mill's display reading over 3700, and there's that other display (the red LEDs at 0:45) saying 2646.

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Yes the Motor is controlled by the cnc Computer. On the breakoutboard is an relay that starts the Motor and 0-10v Signal is generated for the Speed.
The Optimum RPM Display is out of function because i havn´t fitted the Magnets. the red led Display is the rpm of the Motor displayed on the vfd.
At the high gear thr atio is 1:1 so i have a max spindle rpm of ca. 2800rpm.
If necesary one can bump up the vfd output to 60 or 70 Hz for some higher rpm.
 

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