Hi guys, I can't tell you how much I appreciate the input, I should have mentioned that I am not a pro at this, I am looking for something at an entry level, I do not have CNC yet but I do have DRO on my mill, that is why the 2D program has worked so well for me all this time. I thought that I might learn the 3D just because, although the 2D works great for what I do. Thanks for the example deere_x475 guy, cool stuff, waiting for your post. Thanks again;Tad