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Bogstandard said:
Rick,

I was honestly thinking that myself, why tweak in stages, do the whole lot in one go, job done.
I am sure the Chinese won't take much care on the setting up side, wack it together so it looks nice, that will do, get it sold.

John

John,
I know that is a much bigger machine than my X2, so hopefully more care was taken to build it, but if the manufacturer took as much care to assemble yours as they did the X2 you will definitely want to tear it down for a THOROUGH cleaning and tune up. Would probably be easier to do that outside with lots of elbow and head room. Or have it delivered in pieces.

I've had my X2 for near 5 years now, and the C2 since last summer. I'm STILL finding casting sand and burrs. And I've had both machines apart a couple times for cleanings and tweakings. I got a nasty cut on my hand from my X2 before I had it completely uncrated.


Best of luck there, mate.
 
John
You manage to do everything the hard way. Here in the US we got it down to one finger...LOL

Steve
 
Al,
That was spot on, mine is about 3/4 the size of a standard BP, that will be my first choice to try, if it doesn't work I will try John S's method, if there is still a problem, my gang will set upon it and it would then go thru a letterbox. Many thanks.

Steve,
Ours is due to history rather than laziness.

John the mover man
 
Bogstandard said:
Ours is due to history rather than laziness.

I've always wondered if Churchill had Agincourt in mind when he turned his hand around and made the famous "V". Given his sense of humor and history, I wouldn't put it past him.
 
Actually, the ceegar had just fallen out of his fingers ;)
 
Actually Marv, I think you are spot on with Churchill and his humour.

John
 
This is an update about getting my miller thru the door.

This miller is classed as semi industrial by Chester UK and as such will incur a delivery fee. The lathe is free delivery. So these are the quotes from Chester UK and what they are willing to do for the money. I live 30 miles from Chester UK.

For the lathe, free delivery at their convenience to my property. I handle it from there.

Mill to be delivered only to my property, £250($500). If they put it into my shop at the same time as delivery, depending on how much strip down of the machine is required, between £850($1700) & £1000($2000). I am definitely in the wrong business.

So after I had picked myself up off the floor and told them which orifice they can put their quote in, I decided to call in an independent who advertises in Chris Heapies Home Workshop, and ask for a quote.

http://www.homeworkshop.org.uk/latest.html

Here is the reply.

To pick up both machines from Chester UK after travelling from his home base in Hull, the other side of the country @ 30p (60 cents) per mile. Deliver them to my home, and get them into the workshop and into the positions I require. All fully insured and carried out by a specialised machinery mover.

If he can combine it with another load around the area I live in - £225($450)
If he has to do a special journey just for my stuff - £300($600)

Can anyone recommend which one I should use?

John
 
That's an easy one. Chester,UK ofcourse. They need to eat to. :big: :big: :big: $1600 to $2000 Sheeeeesh. :p

I'm sure you picked the other one and I would too.

Bernd
 
Chester UK are extreamly convinient for me 3-4 miles away... but DAMN they're a rip off on a hell of a lot of stuff!!!!! :mad:

It is good to shop aroung eh John? ! More money for your new tooling ;D


Ralph.
 
Don't worry Ralph,

I haven't finished with them yet. I have just sent a rather nice email to their customer services, compaining about what I was told at the Harrogate show by the salesman, and the real prices I have been quoted since.

I will be expecting a rather large discount when I meet them again next week.

Don't get me wrong, I have been using Chester UK ever since they started, and up until now have always had very satisfactory dealings. But one thing I won't do, is be ripped off by a salesman.

John
 
I have just bought a Seig mill , did a strip to check it over as it sounded a bit rough, the thing was full of casting material, I ended up striping it right down and removed plenty of rubbish that should not have been there, plus one bad bearing, BUT at the price of it you cannot go wrong. if I had to buy British or non Chinese I would not be able to afford one, there does not seem to be anything wrong with it just not cleaned out properly, I also found this with my bigger mil so it was not a supprise, and it will make a nice handy bit of kit that I would not have been able to afford.

so John strip it down to the last nut and bolt and clean and scrape the casting's on the inside, it will be well worth the effort.

Peter
 
Bogstandard said:
Can anyone recommend which one I should use?

Mmmmm .... ::) .... that's a hard one .... let me sleep on it John ;D .... :D :big: :D


Dave
 
Just an update on my mill saga.

I called Chester UK this morning and requested that the salesman from Harrogate be ready to receive me mid afternoon.

Got there approx the right time, and sure enough he was waiting for me. Head slightly bowed from the email tongue lashing I had given him. My first instruction was, 'any BS and you can forget any sales'.

First things first, he gets his version of the catalogue out, the one BEFORE all taxes are added., and duly stated, your order will be totally tax free - good saving already, 17.5% discount.
So with a little bit of arm twisting, I got a very good upgrade on the supplied vice for nothing, and again a very good price for a full ER32 collet set and holder, and a y axis power feed (it comes with x axis). While I sort of had him in a daze, I ordered a load of toolholders for the lathe (20+) at the same deal we have for the miller, plus a couple of sets of soft jaws for the supplied 3 jaw.

Then at the very end when he was wringing his hands with glee, I dropped the last bombshell. I said I wanted the mill to have the same readout as my ordered lathe. They are the very latest, and can be used on either at the touch of a button. 'Very sorry, the one that comes with it, is the one you have to have' he says. 'OK then' says I, 'forget all about the mill, I will just pay for the lathe now'. Half way thru writing the cheque for the lathe, he stops me and says 'give me five minutes'. He comes back and says, 'OK we can do that just for you', what a BS'er, but at least it got me what I wanted. So I duly wrote the cheque and got everything down in writing.

It might seem I was a little hard about the DRO, but there is method in my madness.
The mill comes with 2 axis DRO, I want a 3 axis. For Chester to upgrade to 3 axis they want £500 ($1000), and they get to keep the old 2 axis readout they remove. Now I will have the same readout on there as the lathe, so by removing the 2 axis readout from the mill, and fitting it to my lathe for my 3rd and 4th. Then buying the same make 3 axis readout with the two readers for the lathe and the extra one for the mill, I can get both machines done for £450 ($900). 'Devious thinking', I says to myself.

So basically I had a good afternoon, got myself everything I wanted, and for over £600 ($1200) less than I should have paid. That will pay for all the new chucks and collets for the lathe.

Now the bad news. My lathe will not arrive in the country until early August, so more chewing bricks and climbing up the walls. But at least the shop will be ready for them when they are installed, and I can now start to order all my shiny new tooling.

So it looks like my September date for getting the shop up to speed was about right.

Smiling Bogs.

 
Good for you John ;)

Glad to hear you got it all in writing, they do like to try to forget what they told you these sales types!

Can't believe you will be having to wait till then :eek: gutted!

Well as you say your shop will be all ready for their arrival, at least that's something :-\

Do you want to borrow my peatol lathe for a bit...? That's easily portable, and will fit through your door! ;D


Ralph.
 
John,
I expect the deck shall be spotless by time the machinery arrives. I suspect every last bit of swarf in the farthest reaches will be picked up and banished. I know I'd be out in the shop cleaning, painting. Shimming that slightly wobbly table, adding a gusset here and there. Maybe installing some extra task lighting. Anything that I could think of that might even remotely make life in the shop easier.

Good job on the negotiations!
 
Divided He ad said:
Do you want to borrow my peatol lathe for a bit...? That's easily portable, and will fit through your door! ;D

Ralph ......... for Gawd's sake go steady :eek: ........... don't tempt John in his "between machinery" phase or the next challenge could be building a finger engine smaller than half a peanut using only 1/8 of a paper clip and 1/4 of a toothpick and 10cc of leaf mould ???

Then again ............. probably load's of the gang on here could rise to that challenge ;)

CC :D
 
I'm not at such a loose end as to get to making mini stuff on a little lathe, my eyes wouldn't take it.

In fact, since I have given away such a lot of small unnecessary machines to be replaced with larger ones, I have actually come up with a few ideas to save me having to buy new ones. As I am hoping to have both RT and vice on the mill at the same time, so neither will need to be removed, insted of buying a new floor standing drill press, I am designing a drilling table to drop into my mill vice, so utilising a much more powerful machine, with greater accuracy, and a lot cheaper as well.

So I am not completely at my wits end, armed with a bit of paper and a pencil, I can keep myself occupied for hours.

John
 

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