A Compound steam engine idea
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Bob-
I am sure it is just me, but I can't follow the diagram at all.
Sounds like an interesting idea though.
I am sure it is just me, but I can't follow the diagram at all.
Sounds like an interesting idea though.
I got it, albeit the internals of the hollow spool valve are drawn in a misleading way.
The steam pipe enters in the red area while the exhaust exits in the yellow area
ignore the apparent mixing of receiver and boiler steam.
Tbe hollow spool has two or more ports drilled axially that meet near the center port
This valve will offer some heat to the receiver steam which should be helpful
Dave
The steam pipe enters in the red area while the exhaust exits in the yellow area
ignore the apparent mixing of receiver and boiler steam.
Tbe hollow spool has two or more ports drilled axially that meet near the center port
This valve will offer some heat to the receiver steam which should be helpful
Dave
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Dave,
Exhaust to atmosphere/back pressure system.
Dan and Pat,
Sorry my diagram is confusing. Now that I have the basics I will try and draw something more readily understood. Meanwhile try looking up Bellis and Morcomb engines as some of these used this system as well as the conventional two valves/eccentrics.
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Bob
Exhaust to atmosphere/back pressure system.
Dan and Pat,
Sorry my diagram is confusing. Now that I have the basics I will try and draw something more readily understood. Meanwhile try looking up Bellis and Morcomb engines as some of these used this system as well as the conventional two valves/eccentrics.
Best Regards
Bob
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Ok, I am beginning to see it.
It is a section of a vertical twin engine.
The piston rods go out the bottom to the crank.
The pistons are shown in section as white rectangles.
My tired little brain is having to work on this one.
It is a section of a vertical twin engine.
The piston rods go out the bottom to the crank.
The pistons are shown in section as white rectangles.
My tired little brain is having to work on this one.
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JorgensenSteam
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Ok, here is my slant #2 on the "mystery compound" as I hereby dub this engine.
Picture a twin cylinder compound vertical engine with crank pins 180 degrees apart.
So when one piston moves up, the other moves down.
Now use two standard piston valves between the cylinders, and mount the valve stems to a common yoke that is operated from one eccentric only.
The valve on the right is inside admission.
The valve on the left can also I think be inside admission, and you need passages from the outside of the right valve to the inside of the left valve.
Since the pistons act opposite each other, then valve action can be mirrored (sort of), and operated off of one eccentric. If the engine did not have crank pins at 180 degrees, then you would need two eccentrics to time the valves correctly.
So in order to get the arrangement that Bob has above, stack the two piston valves in a common sleeve, make them into a single valve, and allow exhaust to run inside of it in a hollow space inside the thimble.
That is going to be a long valve, and the only way to change the timing is to make a new valve.
Makes for some unequal passage lengths, but certainly would be a functional engine.
That's my guess. (Wow, I am only 7.5 hrs behind steamer dave. Pretty good in my book, if I am right that is.)
Picture a twin cylinder compound vertical engine with crank pins 180 degrees apart.
So when one piston moves up, the other moves down.
Now use two standard piston valves between the cylinders, and mount the valve stems to a common yoke that is operated from one eccentric only.
The valve on the right is inside admission.
The valve on the left can also I think be inside admission, and you need passages from the outside of the right valve to the inside of the left valve.
Since the pistons act opposite each other, then valve action can be mirrored (sort of), and operated off of one eccentric. If the engine did not have crank pins at 180 degrees, then you would need two eccentrics to time the valves correctly.
So in order to get the arrangement that Bob has above, stack the two piston valves in a common sleeve, make them into a single valve, and allow exhaust to run inside of it in a hollow space inside the thimble.
That is going to be a long valve, and the only way to change the timing is to make a new valve.
Makes for some unequal passage lengths, but certainly would be a functional engine.
That's my guess. (Wow, I am only 7.5 hrs behind steamer dave. Pretty good in my book, if I am right that is.)
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ironman said:
I hear you, like Xmas it's coming ;D
Dave,
Hope you can find some pictures of the Vulcan.
UNIcastings said:
Close Pat,
You make two valves not one, that way they are independently adjustable using spacers on the central collar of the valve rod, just like the real thing.
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Bob
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Ahhhhhh..........so very clever, those designers of old.
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Bob and Dave,
I was looking for something else when I stumbled on the wiki entry for Vauclain compound.
The article has a link to the US Patent drawings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauclain_compound
Dan
I was looking for something else when I stumbled on the wiki entry for Vauclain compound.
The article has a link to the US Patent drawings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauclain_compound
Dan
