Toronto Team build

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  1. Mar 30, 2015 #1

    xs4all

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    i'm up for anything.

    would love to build a couple 1" scale traction engines if anyone is interested (1" minnie perhaps).

    i'm currently building vertical crosstube boilers and various engines (steam). my skill level is now at the point where i can do something of this quality and scale.

    any suggestions?

    gas engines? steam? beam engines?

    lets' do it :D
     
  2. Mar 30, 2015 #2

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    I'd be open to a Toronto Team Build...

    I've less machining experience so hopefully nothing too complex for me.

    I think something that is not too complex to build yet is visually very appealing so we cud perhaps show the results at a few events and try to attract more ppl from Toronto to model engineering and this site.
     
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    I have equipment, and a little bit of skill, but no idea what to build. I would like to try some of the simple parts. West Michigan is not too far from Toronto.
     
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    Biggest problem with something like a traction engine is that a lot of parts need to be made to fit another, no problem if building it all yourself but if several people are all makeing bits then the likely hood of it all going together is low.

    Also difficult to manage such a sizeable team build, past builds on here of simple wobblers have been hard enough to get all parts completed let alone a TE with its hundreads of parts and 1200hrs plus of work.

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    My brother and I are each building SandyC's 3" vertical boiler so a small steam engine to run with that would be a nice choice in my opinion.

    Or a Tiny IC engine...
     
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    At 43.2342° N, Muskegon is almost the same latitude as Toronto which is 43.7000° and you're on a Great Lake... so how could we turn you down?
     
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    If that member map worked, you could direct this at the local membership
     
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    Turn the clock back and Michigan is Canada. On the build by many people thing, it's what I and most who have worked in a factory do. Keep within the tolerances and all should be fine. Interchangeable parts and all that
     
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    Oh, and four out of five Great Lakes prefer Michigan.
     
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    All very well saying work within tolerances but very few model engineering drawings have any tolerances shown. Also as a lot of beginners seem to be drawn towards team builds and they may not be able to hold those tolerances if they existed.

    The problem I raised about the minnie is that it's all assembled on a copper boiler that will move and distort to some extent when its made so parts need to be fitted acordingly, the drawings also contain "check on assembly" against quite a few items so they could only be made by someone with all the relevant parts, same goes for other traction engines that I have made. An allowance will also need to be made for when the engine is running as the boiler (chassis) will stretch so again comes down to the art of fitting not assembly.

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    My Mom's family was from France, they settled a land grant in an area of New France that is now in the US, but back then was all part of French Territory right back to Quebec City and beyond. They all spoke French up until my grandfather wouldn't teach his kids french during the McCarthy Era.

    ahem, dont start anything over whats the most preferred Great Lake ;) at least we can agree its not Erie eh?
     
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    Size considered, Erie and Ontario could be considered pretty good lakes. Great is a stretch. 😉. On the build, if it were organized that the same people do critical fit parts, i.e. Piston and cyliner. Wrist pin connecting rod and crank by another, success may be easier.
     
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    Ahem, Ontario is 3rd deepest at 802 ft... which beat Huron's 750 and Erie's minuscule 210ft.

    We may not get many members so multiple parts it will likely be...
     
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    If the parts are divided by critical fits, I think it could work. As far as tolerances, we could figure out what is required and pencil them in. Suffice it to say, I'm game.
     
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    ok.

    what sort of equipment to you currently have?

    we'll take it from there. i have all kinds of plans. i don't mind doing the complex stuff on my end :D
     
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    ps. sorry for the delayed response. i'm not currently getting any emailed updates.
     
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    if properly organized and w/ the right builders, it's very doable indeed. difficult of course, but that's part of the fun.

    for instance, i have no trouble building the traction boilers and that is a big part of it, etc. i realize what you're saying, but i enjoy the challenge.
     
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    I have a CT041 12” x 37” lathe, and a CT129N mill... plus typical shop tools. I dont yet have my rotary table up and running for gear cutting tho...

    I too have some plans kicking around.

    p.s. my brother is happy to act as a team member on his own, so we can fill two spots
     
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    The hardest part of the traction engine is likely paying for the boiler metal! I'm trying to buy 3" copper pipe in Type L or type K but they want me to buy 12' length! Works out to about $450 plus tax...
     
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    These do look very awesome... esp with these colour schemes

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