Today I went to visit an old friends shop, well his daughter who is now in charge said that if I wanted these I could have them for a very reasonable price, she said that her dad would have probably just given them to me but she has bills to pay just like the rest of us. I will go back to get them on Friday after I make arrangements to get a truck. I'm hoping that I can haul them both in a full size pickup truck. If anyone wants to offer some Do's and Don'ts about moving them, please jump right in. I just want to get them home and worry about getting them to operate on my household current later, the grinder is 3 phase and the shaper is 110 volt single phase. I'm excited, my model building might just go up a notch. Jack P.S. all I had was my phone so sorry about the turned photos.