I blame Stan, Andrew & Robert... A Lamina attempt

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arnoldb

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;) The heading says it all; I'm attempting a Lamina flow engine.

Stan did a lot of research and provided much feedback - thank you Stan :bow:

Andrew & Robert built their ones with a free dashpot sample for the piston. I can't get one, as it's for US shipment only, I'll just try and make my own, so there is the potential for total failure on this build :big:, but I'll give it a good go anyway. At least I'll be able to re-use most of the material afterward if it fails. This won't be a "pretty" engine either; as this is a very unknown area for me, I'm adding as much possibility for adjustment as possible to get it running, and the looks will suffer because of that.

I've been working on it on and off for the last three weeks; a bit of life and personal commitments pleasantly intervened, so I've not even had a chance to post up on the build yet.

I started off with this lot:
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A crude drawing, and all kinds of bits 'n bobs for the base column, cylinder piston and flywheel. I have a handful of ~16mm OD Pyrex test tubes, and scrounged around for some suitable O-rings. The bit of PTFE is for the bearings.

The cylinder will be aluminium, the piston phosphor bronze, and I hope that the addition of a bit of graphite powder will make it run with low friction. I'll try PTFE for the piston as well if the phosphor bronze does not work out. The flywheel will be mounted horizontally with a "point bearing" at the bottom to minimise friction.

I started on the cylinder - drilled and reamed through to 12mm:
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Then reversed in the chuck, and bored out to 16.6mm, and two 1.5mm deep grooves added for O-rings:
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Next I worked on the column - just whittled down a block of 12mm aluminium, drilled, counter bored and tapped for fitting some 3mm cap screws, and slit the top off. Then I used a bit of thin aluminium foil clamped between the top and bottom bits to provide some spacing, and bored out a matching hole for the cylinder to just fit in the hole:
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When taken apart, and with the aluminium foil removed, it will clamp the cylinder very well.

Then I did a mock-up to see where I was at:
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The bit of hot-rolled flat bar for the base was a bit short, so I chucked that on the stock pile, and sawed off a longer piece; I have about 4m of this flat bar in stock.

Work on the flywheel then started; the bit of bronze I had for that was much too thick, and rather than just turn it all into chips, I sawed it down the middle, and then cleaned up one face of the one section on the lathe, flipped it and faced the other side to make it 10mm thick and drilled and reamed for a 4mm axle:
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Off to the rotary table on the milling machine; not to use the RT though; its just a convenient way to hold the workpiece on mill - and milled a 4mm wide slot 8mm deep into the workpiece:
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Then I milled a 2mm slot all the way through:
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This gives a convenient way to adjust the crank throw; the 2mm nuts I have are 4mm across flats, so I can make a crank pin that can be easily adjusted while "hiding" the big slot at the bottom of the flywheel. The removed material will also act as a counter-balance for the piston and connecting rod.

I just skimmed the gory bits off the rim of the bronze by using friction drive with a bit of 4mm rod chucked up in the collet chuck and using old business cards and tailstock pressure to keep the flywheel in place. It needs light cuts and a sharp tool for this; phosphor bronze is a bit tougher to machine than brass or aluminium, and will work-harden if the tool is blunt:
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Next some work on the bearing column - just a rough turning, drilling and threading operation - drilled all the way through at 4.2mm and tapped M5 for mounting, then a bit of taper added for some visual appeal:
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That was then flipped, and drilled 8mm to leave just a 10mm section of the 5mm thread.

A section of the PTFE was turned down to 8mm to fit in the column, then drilled 4.5mm but not all the way through. This gets shoved down the bearing column. The cone left by the drill point forms the "point bearing":
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Next I turned up the top bush for the man axle from PTFE and pushed that into the bearing column as well. A bit of 4mm silver steel with a polished taper on the end and inserted in the flywheel forms the main axle:
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Another quick look-see to determine mounting points:
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The base drilled and counter sunk and counter bored for the different mounting points - I just dug through my fasteners for available screws, so it will get a mix of a 5mm countersink screw for mounting the bearing column, and 4mm cap screws for mounting the cylinder column:
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The flat bar for the base was full of dings and mill scale and crud, so I did a quick and dirty fly-cut across the face and edges to make it a bit more presentable; it will get painted so I didn't go for a terribly good finish:
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The long overhang of the workpiece on the left of the vise is because the vise is mounted to the right on the mill table. I was in no mood to reposition the vise, as that entails tramming and so on. The finish on the workpiece is cosmetic, and as the bar is 10mm thick, flex wasn't a problem.

Next up was the piston; also from phosphor bronze. First I drilled it out 11mm diameter 12mm deep, then 2.5mm diameter for another bit and threaded M3, and partially parted it off. Then turned the OD to 11.98mm - taking care to get a good finish:
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The parting cut was then finished, and I ended up with a reasonable piston:
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More to follow; this post is a bit long already :hDe:

Regards, Arnold
 
Thank you John :)

The saga continues...

To keep things light, I used some aluminium bar scrounged from an old TV antenna for the small end connecting rod bearing. That was slit for the connecting rod:
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And cross-drilled for a wrist pin - I just used a bit of rod and coupler nut from the clamping kit to support the overhang:
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That was then cut to length and threaded M3 at the other end; it fits nicely into the piston:
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Some 4mm brass rod was then cross-drilled and milled to fit the small end connector:
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That was cut off, and drilled and threaded M2 on the other side.

For the big end, I gathered together a couple of bits from the screws bin, a short section of 3mm brass pipe and made a quick 'n dirty connector:
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A section of 2mm brazing rod threaded M2 both ends to fit the small and big end connectors was the last part to make.

All assembled it looks like this - not pretty, but functional - I just borrowed the "Little Blazer" engine's burner for it:
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It ran pretty much from the get-go, although terribly slowly. So I turned up a restricter and inserted that in the bore. It seems to like a good stroke length for best running...

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All's not moonshine and roses though; I ran it for hours on end yesterday evening, and a drop of spilled meths on the underside of the burner caused the primer to come right off the base:
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So it needs a complete tear-down to tidy it up a bit, and I definitely need to find better primer and paint for the base.
The re-do will have to wait a bit though, as today I have to do a lot of real meat butchering; over the Easter holidays I visited some friends in the countryside, and ended up bringing home a whole side of beef. The steak sections have been maturing nicely, and needs to get taken care of and frozen, while the bones all need sawing up...

And to top that, I received a package from the land of Shrek (you know, Far Far Away - in this case Singapore) - and this lot needs some installation ;D:
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Regards, Arnold
 
Blimey Arnold, only two posts and you are showing a runner, that must have been one of the quickest to get running builds we have seen. :bow: :bow: :bow:

Great runner. woohoo1 th_wav

You are going to think you have gone to heaven when you get that DRO fitted, it makes life so much easier.


John
 
Nice way to put Robert and i in the corner of shame..... :'(

Guess we are going to have to build better ones from bar stock now!!!!

Great work as usual Arnold!!!
Runs like the clappers!!! ;D

Andrew
 
Hi Arnold

Nice little runner :bow: :bow: :bow:

I have been looking at the 3 axis DRO's for my X3 mill. I have the cheap scales fitted to the X and Y now and they are ok but always seem to let me down right at the most critical moment. Keep us posted please.

Cheers

Rich
 
Congratulations on a great project.

As you found out, a small spill of alcohol quickly becomes a big fire. Some time ago, I pointed out the importance of having an adequate vent hole in these simple burners. If there is insufficient venting, pressure will build up in the tank and it becomes a flame thrower, spraying burning liquid a considerable distance.

Old computer hard drives are a good source for one or two very small ball bearings. They make good low friction bearings for our models that have to be low friction.
 
Thank you John :) - It wasn't that quick though as I got a bit tied up and didn't have much chance to post. Three weekends of off-and-on work; there's about 12 hours actual work in it. And I think I got very lucky with it; from what I've seen these engines can be real bummers to get going sometimes.
I'm really looking forward to get the DRO going - that's next weekend's job. I don't think it will help me get better accuracy, but like you said, it'll be so much more convenient; after going through the instruction manual, it's got some nifty features that wasn't even mentioned in the specs list on the web site ;D

Thanks Andrew ;D - It's really not my intention to put anybody in the corner of shame :hDe: - Both you and Robert inspired me Thm: and it's important that we all share our different ways of getting engines built - Like people say, variety is the spice of life :)

Rich, Thanks :) - I'll be sure to keep everyone updated. I'm actually surprised at how well-made the scales and display unit appear to be. I'm really skimpy, and it took a lot of thinking and research before I decided to go for the DRO.

Thanks Stan :) Fortunately there was no fire involved. The cheap rattlecan primer and paint I used just got dissolved by the meths, so I'll have to find something more chemical resistant locally.

Robert, thanks :) - I just wish I actually understood how/why this engine works too!

Kind regards, Arnold
 
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