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« Reply #90 on: August 06, 2008, 07:36:52 AM »

If that isn't begging John, I don't know what is.

In all honesty, if you need me to get you some, they do sometimes have it down at the scrappies I use. Not massive sheets but very useful sizes. Usually they have been cut very slightly off square, I also only take the bits that still have the protective coating on, saves hell of a lot of repolishing.

I managed to get Ralph some a while back, and I don't think he had any complaints at all.

You must remember though, scrap brass prices have shot thru the roof, but it still should be a lot cheaper than buying it wholesale or retail.

BTW, I took delivery of my 5 to 2 MT adapter yesterday, just got to cut the tang end off so that I can use a drawbar thru it. Thanks for that.

Another BTW, I am trying to get my mill brought in tomorrow, so it looks like I will be burning the midnight oil to get its location finished off.

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« Reply #91 on: August 06, 2008, 12:26:26 PM »

John, Just a wind up.

I am fortunate in that in a previous life I had 19 years working on commercial vehicles.
Because of the close knit community of scrappies, intermarriage etc we did most of the vehicles for all the larger scrap dealers in this area.

This got you on site and able to go anywhere in the yards even when H&S came into play.

Unfortunately many have sold out, been bought up and the fathers have passed away but I am still able to go round two of the larger yards in this area and still get reasonable deals given the current prices.

Nothing like the old days when they would 'weigh' a shoe box literally full of dial gauges in their hand and remark
"Don't weigh anything, you can have it "

The best one of which I became very firm friends with the two brothers who owned it and still are even though they have retired and sold the land off for building had the contract for Erricsons telephones, later Plessey.

These people had 7 tool rooms and made everything needed on site including their own taps and dies. Nothing was sold, everything went for scrap if not needed.
Two 32 tonners ran into the scrap yard every week with brand new offcuts of steel box, angle and bar.

When they moved off mechanical telephone exchanges onto electronic they started shutting toolrooms and just threw everything. You just had to be their at the right time. A mill might get thrown out for scrap and two weeks later all the tooling, vises, dividing head, rotab etc would get thrown out as well., many of them new and unused.

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« Reply #92 on: August 06, 2008, 03:28:28 PM »

You had me hook line and sinker there John, don't worry, my time will come.

It now looks like Steve's time might be here.

Remember this backstabbing remark

John ain't got no tools!!....  John ain't got no tools!!....  Neener Neener Neener...LOL.

Steve



After a couple of hours frantically poking with a sharp stick, my first machine will hopefully be here tomorrow.

The area it is going in isn't finished off yet, but that will now have to wait. I will paint around it.

Just watch this space.




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« Reply #93 on: August 06, 2008, 03:50:16 PM »

Just watch this space.

Bandit's got that covered as far as I can see  Grin

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« Reply #94 on: August 06, 2008, 04:03:03 PM »

John,
Part of my metal rack if you or any of the UK guys get stuck.





The other rack holds the bars from 3" up to 8".

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« Reply #95 on: August 06, 2008, 04:33:23 PM »

John.... Bet you can't wait? Even less sleep than usual tonight I recon?
We await the pictures of the new baby  Grin

Bandit looks like he is having fun.... He needs a sinister villan to be sitting in the chair stroking him  big laugh

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Well Mr Stevenson..... holy S@#%  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked  Shocked

How many scrap yards did you buy?!?!?!?!

And how much room do you have in that shop.... Shop envy it is then!!  Grin




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« Reply #96 on: August 06, 2008, 04:35:32 PM »

John,

That lot is absolutely obscene, no wonder there is a metal shortage, and I thought my stash was large.

BTW thanks for the offer, I will be over with an artic this weekend.
Freebies I hope.

John
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« Reply #97 on: August 06, 2008, 04:45:28 PM »

No room at all, the clear floor is only because that slotter was delivered the day the photo was taken.
At the moment it's all spoken for although the machines do move in and out as they are worked on.

This is my latest baby.





And not to be outdone by Bandit today I have been working on the headstock door flap which I feel is too big.



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« Reply #98 on: August 06, 2008, 04:51:50 PM »

AhA!!! Secret chinese weapon.

Dual fuel, electric or kitty power.

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« Reply #99 on: August 07, 2008, 06:21:58 PM »

John,
How did Kevin get on with the mill ?
Enquiring minds want to know ?

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« Reply #100 on: August 07, 2008, 06:51:05 PM »

I am a bit late posting tonight, two reasons, had to take the wife out for our aniversary, went for a nice meal and a couple of bevvies. The other reason was as you might have guessed, something turned up today that made me feel that the self imposed exile is almost over.

A flatbed truck reverses up my drive, with what I hope is an undamaged, fully working version of the mill I ordered, with all the accessories and modifications done.




This joker here, turned up early this morning and gave the shop the once over, and kicked my a**e for suggesting I put the mill where I showed it was going in a previous post.
This is my best friend and mentor, Terry. If it can be drawn, he will most probably be able to make it. This is the man that has kept me from straying for about the last 20 years, and a phone call asking for assistance, will mean he will be there in about 10 mins, no matter what he was doing. The best mate a man could have. But a real task master when it comes to quality. He is the man who tests and inspects a lot of the turbine blades that go into R-R engines on commercial airliners.




Anyway, enough of his life history, he is here to work until he leaves to go to work himself.
Nearly down on my property.





Down onto the ground and stripped of it's protective covering, Tel has to go to work, so it is up to the expert to do his job.




This is Kevin from H&S Engineering, who said he should be able to get this machine into my shop without any stripping down, and also no need to take walls out or roofs off. At a price that was less than a third of the cost of quotes from other machine moving 'specialists'. This was a shot just before he dropped it over the edge of a step, using only a pallet truck with a pallet on it, a bit of dunnage and a few steel pipes, plus an engine hoist to take the weight. Only about 1" clearance either side of the machine.




Down, turned around, lifted up to get a length of ply underneath and pipes put in, ready for the assault on the doorway and it's six inch step up. One major problem was encountered during this installation. The paving slabs that covered my whole garden have a pattern on them that is called Riven pattern. This is like a corrugated effect, but instead of being regular is a random pattern all over, this was a major obstacle. The whole 800+KG could only be moved with a pry bar, one inch at a time.




After nearly two hours of inching along and getting it into position we finally got it thru the door, I forgot to take pics of the actual method, of swinging it in at an angle, moving the table fully one way, then swinging it straight as it was moved forwards. You end up with what is in this pick, just ready to go forwards into the shop.




This is the same position, but from a different angle. Just the back end to go in.




The whole machine is in the shop, sigh of relief. Just a matter of prying and rolling it into position.




This is it's final resting place. Hopefully, I will never have to see it moved again.



Total time, approximately 4 hours, including lunch a few fag and bad back rest breaks. In conclusion. Kevin did what he said could be done, I am a very happy bunny, and not one bit of damage to the machine or my property. In my opinion, a master mover.

Now to the machine itself. The only cleaning that it required was the oil protection on the table, which came off very easily. While Chester UK were doing all the mods, they totally cleaned the machine down and reset everything to a very useable standard, Well done Chester UK. It is now up to myself to fit the third and fourth axis DRO's and fit a power supply for two of the power feeds, Chester couldn't quite be pushed enough to supply that as a freebie.
I did a quickie hookup to check everything out, and all runs perfectly. In fact, the cooling fan in the supply box is noisier than the machine running at full wack.

A good day.

And to John, I hope all the above explains just how well Kevin did, and how happy I was with his service.

A very tired Bogs.
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« Reply #101 on: August 07, 2008, 08:42:25 PM »

Damn.... it did fit....LOL. Could you move it to the left just a wee bit more....(grin)

 Your guy sure earned his pay with that move. Congrats John!!

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« Reply #102 on: August 07, 2008, 09:13:19 PM »

Good stuff John, 4 hours!!!  Shocked  but at least no damage Grin

Glad to know it's all falling into place.... Now how's your new floor plan panning out?

I bet you can't wait to get it all working now ehh?  Grin




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« Reply #103 on: August 08, 2008, 01:58:24 AM »

Steve,

In fact you are spot on, the machine needs to go over by about 3 or 4 degrees to the left, but that will be done on final levelling, after I have fully finished the fitting of extras and commissioning.
As I mentioned about Kevin, a master at his work. Where anyone else would be driving nails into their forehead, he just quietly came up with solutions as we came across them.

Ralph,

The floor plan took a slight shock with the lathe and mill swapping places at the last minute, but everything else that is planned is staying as is.

So that is it basically, until the lathe comes in. For the next few days I will be sorting out the mill, then putting up the necessary racks and shelves to support it (covering up more holes).
I won't be showing any of that as it isn't major workshop work, so this post will now be a bit quiet until nearer the time the lathe comes in. Unless anyone asks a question that needs answering.

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« Reply #104 on: August 08, 2008, 02:33:32 AM »

Congratulations,John.That's a serious looking bit of kit.I wondered if I was going crazy,or you had reversed the photo of the empty space big laugh
But I'm glad to see it all panned out.Don't forget a spot for Bandit's bed! Smiley
Regards from a cold,miserable NZ.Hans.
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